so glad to have you with us. we're talking with mike magner, the "national journal" energy and environment managing editor. he's also got this terrific book called poisoned legacy, great read about bp's rise to power. bp both on how they handled the gulf coast spill but also some other things in their record. mike, how bad are things in the coast right now? >> oh, boy, there is a long way to go on the cleanup. bp spilled an estimated five million barrels of oil into the gulf and in addition to a lot of natural gas that leaked and then when they were trying to clean it up, they used all of these dispersants, these chemicals that have really never been used on that scale. they cleaned up a lot of it by burning some of it off the surface and scrubbing what landed on the beaches but i talked yesterday to people in louisiana who say that there's still at least a million barrels out there. some of it is in wetlands in louisiana that's really difficult to clean up. and some of it -- because of the dispersants is still f